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Italy and Roma July 24, 2008

Filed under: bias, human rights, race — Jender @ 9:24 am Tags: , ,

Probably unbeknownst to most Americans, one of the most discriminated-against groups in Europe is the Roma. And Italy has become, especially recently, an especially bad place to be Roma. Berlusconi has recently launched a campaign to fingerprint all of Italy’s Roma population (and nobody else). But what seems to finally be waking people up to how bad things are is what happened on a beach in Naples. According to reports (for some questionning of them, see the links here), four Roma sisters went swimming despite lack of knowledge of how to swim. Two of them drowned. Many people failed to even try to help. Their bodies were laid on the beach. Then everybody got back to sunbathing– not allowing a couple corpses on the beach to interfere with their holiday. Photos were taken of holiday-makers sunning themselves by the bodies. I’m not posting them here, as I feel that might be disrespectful– but they serve to show the extent to which the Roma have been dehumanised in the minds of many Italians (and others). I’m so very depressed by this.

4 Responses to “Italy and Roma”

  1. Monkey Says:

    I saw this article yesterday (?), and the first thing that struck me was whether the photos really depict what they are claimed to depict. If I was on a beach and I saw two bodies covered in towels, I would assume the people under them were asleep and had covered themselves from the sun so that they didn’t get sunburnt. It would never occur to me that the people were dead. It might just be possible that the sunbathing holidaymakers came along afterwards and sat down not knowing what had just happened.

  2. Jender Says:

    Interesting point, Monkey. And if you’re right– which is possible– then we’ve got a case in which a false interpretation of a photograph is actually conveying an important truth.

  3. The Economist had a very complete survey on the Roma a few weeks ago http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11579339 Hopefully at least some Americans (besides me) will have read it and become more aware of the shocking state of this group of EU outcasts.

    But I agree, I suspect this case was not one about Roma but about what you expect to find on the beach. Neuroscientists have shown how much your expectations affects what you see; bodies in a car park would be noticed, lying on a beach appearing to be sleeping, maybe not.

  4. stoat Says:

    even if the ‘bodies on the beach’ incident can be interpreted charitably so as not to involve horrible racism, it’s important not to forget that in general, Italian politics is veering worringly to the right, with draconian laws that impact upon the freedoms of Roma (and seem to be encouraging violence against them), and also on migrants in general.

2 commenti:

Mrs krakpotowska ha detto...

Dear Fiorella...Grazie, for your very MOVING article...DON'T BE DEPRESSED LOVE;......TRY HARD NOT TO BE....we will sort it all out on the journal..MANY MINDS MAKE LIGHT OF .....blah blah blah....
anyhow....we will PULL FOR THE MIDDLE OF THINGS.........THE BEACH IS SO ....well it's so......CRUEL.....IT IS LIKE SOME KIND OF HORROR FILM........IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY LOVE........AND POWER......

Mrs krakpotowska ha detto...

"Dear Fiorella,please listen,I saw this 'horrible'report on OUR NEWS ..here in the UK ,months ago and IT BOTHERED ME...TERRIBLY.(honestly) and it bothered tons of other people around the world.
THE 'ROMA'(GIPSIES)..have ALWAYS been discriminated against WE ALL KNOW THAT....(or bloody well should do).The little children who went swimming in dangerous (unknown to them)currents...and drowned,and then left on A beach in napoli was HORRENDOUS IN ITSELF,& DOES NOT BEAR THINKING ABOUT....BUT -THAT they were just left there and no-0ne bothered--to even GO MAD WITH GRIEF ,AND HELP etc. WAS SHOCKING!!!....but THINK we must.Berlusconi with his 'fingerprint' policy (THAT IS ONLY USED FOR 'ROMA' (Gipsy) population) is... oh..what's the word ...HE is giving the MAJORITY of people in Italy what he thinks they want...SI?...(someone will translate this properly for you I HOPE) as i want to put my point across and let you know you are NOT ALONE in YOUR WORRIES with this turn of events.RAPES/violent sexual crime / against young Italian girls, has been on the increase in ROME.& other places in Italy...AND the new influx of ROMA illegal immigrants are being blamed for this...HENCE the fingerprint policy.
Your article kept me awake for hours (honestly) eventually i fell asleep, but woke up at 4 am and had a very bad dream..about all this.I FEEL ASHAMED THAT I DID NOT WRITE ABOUT IT ON THE JOURNAL...at the TIME I READ IT...!! I DO..as i did not wish to.. OH..UPSET PEOPLE...(even you could not bring yourself to post the pictures of the tragic children here,etc.. incase it offended someone) well,I like you saw the pictures,...BUT ..i don't KNOW..if people really thought that the bodies covered up by towels were..'objects'...or DID HONESTLY KNOW ...that little children lay under those towels...GOD KNOWS...BUT THE NEWS REPORT ...stated ,what you wrote...PEOPLE JUST DID NOT CARE...AND CARRIED ON SUNBATHING,as if NOTHING had happened..etc..as the children were ROMA)I CAN'T GET MY HEAD AROUND THIS INHUMANITY,I HAVE thought about this a lot,since i saw it on the news months ago,and then you wrote your article and it has brought it all back.

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